Thoughts on the VP Debate

By Karen

Instead of composing a post on the VP debate last night, I’m sharing my raw notes, which I’ve cleaned up for clarity:

WTF with stage? They want everyone catching COVID? Chairs too close, Plexiglas too small. Unprotected moderator within spewing distance.

Pence is a bot. Defends Trump no matter what or how nonsensical. When asked to answer for Trump’s atrocities, deflects & projects.

Pence runs FAR over time to spout lies on COVID questions.

Harris finally warms up, but pulls a punch not asking Pence, “If your management of virus has been so great, why did Trump catch it?”

Pence to Harris on vaccine: “Stop playing politics with people’s lives.” Hypocrite!

Pence, asked about VP’s role, answers with more COVID BS, then veers into swine flu. Claims Obama left Trump a “depleted stockpile” (of what?).

Pence: “The American people have a right to know about the health and well-being of the president” & Trump’s doctors will “continue their transparency.” Translation: more lies coming.

Harris answers question about president’s health with Trump’s taxes. Not good.

Pence recites Fox fan fiction about Trump’s integrity.

On economic recovery, Pence recites a list of lies about Biden’s plans. When Harris alludes to Pence lying, he interrupts to debate that & persists until she finally shuts him down.

Pence: “President Trump and I have a plan to improve health care.” Response should be: Why has nobody ever seen it?

Instead of answering questions, both too intent on getting in rehearsed facts and digs, even if totally off-topic.

Pence claims under Trump we have the cleanest air and water ever. Gets no push-back.

Pence fixated on fracking and fossil fuels. Claims Biden will abolish both.

Harris says Trump took words “science” and “climate change” off the website. Fact. Pence just shakes his head.

Pence: “The climate is changing, we’ll follow the science,” then veers off into taxes. And again with the fucking fracking! Keeps harping on Green New Deal & invokes AOC. Dog whistle to the base.

Harris does a good job of speaking directly to voters.

Pence: “Biden has been a cheerleader for China over the past several decades.” Also says to Harris several times, like he’s so clever, “You’re entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.”

Pence defends Trump’s USMCA (was NAFTA), but question was about China.

Pence blames China for COVID & repeats China travel ban AGAIN as Trump’s shining moment.

Harris: Obama-Biden had an office on pandemics & sent people to China, but Trump abolished all of it. Pence gives sad head shake, his go-to response to all facts.

Finally, Harris mentions Russia. Trump “embracing dictators” and “unilateral approach to foreign policy and isolationism.” Trump “doesn’t understand what it means to be honest.”

Can hear Pence’s every breath. COVID maybe?

Pence not interrupting as much as Trump, but he runs past his time a LOT & Mod lets him.

Harris says Trump called troops’ brain injuries “headaches.” Pence’s head tilts left with vaguely pained poker face. He’s feeling his ass getting handed to him.

Pence responds to “absurd slanders” against Trump with whopper: “President Trump not only respects, but reveres, all of those who serve in our armed forces, and any other suggestion is ridiculous.”

Mod reminds Pence his campaign agreed to debate rules, and that he’s taking more time than Harris.

Pence dodges every new question by babbling more on previous question. Will not, cannot, stay on topic because he’s got nothing.

Pence’s eyes are really red. He’s about to test positive.

Harris’ “happy warrior” demeanor amazing. She should have bitch-slapped that lying bastard senseless by now.

Pence brings up “separation of powers” on SCOTUS. Desperately insists Harris answer whether Dems will “pack the court,” as if the fucking Republicans haven’t already done that by STEALING two seats.

When they show Pence at just the right angle, he has bat ears.

Black speck on Pence’s hair? Was it there before? [Back up DVR] No. A fly!

Photo: Newsweek

Pence denies Trump refused to condemn white supremacists in first debate.

After several minutes, fly leaves. Bored? Can’t Pence feel it?

Pence invokes Trump’s Jewish grandkids as proof Trump condemns white supremacists. WTF?

Disappointed with Harris. She didn’t always answer questions & could have squashed Pence much more with direct, factual put-downs.

Pence devolved into Trump, lying, babbling, talking overtime, interrupting, trying to dominate.

Pence’s closing statement: “I believe in all my heart that President Donald Trump is going to be elected for 4 more years.” He knows they’re losing. More lies about Obama spying on Trump. Poor Trump, “No obstruction, no collusion, case closed.” They “tried” to impeach Trump “over a phone call.” Mail-in voter fraud. Accuses Biden of trying to “change the rules” of elections (projection). Assorted bat-shit nonsense.

Post-debate: Mother joins Pence on stage sans mask. They can share a ventilator.

BONUS: It didn’t seem possible, but Randy Rainbow has upped his game, teaming up with Patti LuPone on this amazing number from Gypsy that makes me giddy at the prospect…

DOUBLE BONUS: When Trump sprang himself from the hospital, The Lincoln Project turned his “Il Douchebag” balcony scene into “Covita”!…

17 Responses to Thoughts on the VP Debate

  1. Anita says:

    Karen, I got back from my trip yesterday and was totally exhausted. Travelling in Covid times is not easy that’s for sure. And to have all the crap hit the fan last weekend with Trump while I was away in Devin Nunes country was horrible.

    With what has happened with the militia and the governor of Michigan this is just the beginning of this type of craziness. I feel sick today and it’s not because I think I might have Covid. If I do I’m certain not to get a helicopter ride to the hospital and $1 million of drugs. Hope we see the 25th amendment at some point this weekend.

    And what happened to Chris Christie, Jim Jordan, Hope Hicks, Melania and many others that tested positive? Are the alive, dead, something in between? He wouldn’t show up for any of their funerals even Melania’s.

    Please let this nightmare be over soon.

  2. catsworking says:

    Anita, sometimes I think it would be nice to drive to the beach and just have a weekend getaway, but COVID has made EVERY STEP of staying somewhere, eating, etc. so fucking complicated, I just throw my hands up and stay put. I’ve even been putting off a much-needed run to Target for MONTHS. But I’m running out of coffee, so I have to go soon.

    You’re right, we’re getting updates on NOBODY around Trump who tested positive, except that Kellyanne infected her daughter, who posted it on Instagram and Twitter. She also caught some video of Kellyanne calling herself the kid’s “fucking mother” while yelling at her. At least Kellyanne describes herself right.

    Word is that when Trump goes off the steroids, he’s going to be more bonkers than ever. He posted a weird video yesterday where his right cheek was swollen and his right eye drooping. Also, the orange was so extreme, his lips were white.

    I think Pence and Mother will be the next ones to test positive. His left eye is definitely messed up and that’s supposed to be a COVID symptom. Just hope he didn’t infect Kamala.

    We’ve reached the level of crazy with those desperate bastards that they’re going to hide it as long as they can, even when it infects everybody around them. They don’t care who they kill, as long as they stay in power.

    Meanwhile, the country is already voting in droves, and I don’t think it’s a groundswell of support to keep Trump around. I saw a list of early tallies this morning, and Virginia was leading with over 700,000 votes. I’m not one of them yet. I’m voting in person when the satellite poll opens near me on October 19.

    Around Richmond, someone broke into mailboxes at at least five post offices, including mine. I don’t think it was Biden supporters trying to steal Trump votes.

  3. dolphinwrite says:

    The technique: insults and barbs, but nothing based on real information.

  4. catsworking says:

    Welcome, dolphinwrite! You’re right. The debates have become all about scoring the point, getting the soundbite that goes viral.

    Part of the blame lies with the audience, whose attention span has become so corroded by social media, few people would be able to sit through any protracted, detailed discussion of the issues. Plus, few candidates have the mental bandwidth to even carry on such a discussion without veering off into lies and exaggeration. The candidates who do all ended up as roadkill during the primaries.

  5. Bonnie C. says:

    The fly was truly the comic relief of the evening. We couldn’t stop laughing.

  6. catsworking says:

    Bonnie, I wonder what it found in his hair to keep it digging around in there for so long. Hope it laid eggs.

  7. Bonnie C. says:

    Well, you know what they say about flies & their attraction to sh*t – lol!

  8. Cindy says:

    It looks like the last debate is cancelled. YEA!
    But on a more important note… You are almost out of coffee!!!!!!
    I couldn’t survive all of the current insanity without my daily jolt. We drink Chase & Sanborn which is impossible to find in stores. With a little online searching, I have found that almost every brand is available at some random site. Go to your brand’s web site and you may be able to get it there. Or, if it is a common brand, Amazon might mail it to you.
    There is nothing you can’t find (and have mailed) online.

  9. catsworking says:

    Cindy, I haven’t heard this. They’ve canceled the Oct. 22 debate as well? I did see that Trump wanted everything pushed back a week to, to Oct. 22 and 29, but Biden said no.

    Apparently, Trump said he wouldn’t “waste his time” on a virtual debate without checking with anyone. When they told him what he’d attract to an in-person debate as a super-spreader compared to the 60 million he could get virtually on TV, he probably kicked himself. So today’s he’s yakking to Rush Limbaugh on the radio.

    I’ve been buying Target’s brand of coffee, whatever they call it, and usually can catch it on sale for $4.99. It’s pretty good. But I’m heading over to Food Lion right now and I’ll see what they’ve got. Today’s my birthday and I’m hankering for some chocolate cake to celebrate. That’s about as festive as it gets around here. Oh, and the cats have a few windows open.

  10. Anita Shepherd says:


    Maybe you will get the best birthday present ever and Trump will be 25th’d today. I will open champagne and celebrate with you!

  11. Bonnie C. says:

    Yes – Happy Birthday Karen!!

  12. Cindy says:

    Since the debate commission says the next debate will be virtual trumpet isn’t doing it but demands the date of the third be changed. Biden has refused to change that date. Now the commission is saying no more debates. And Dems are rethinking the whole debate commission current model.
    I pay about $5 for a large can of any premium brand coffee. Maybe you could check out Dollar Stores. I shudder to think of what floor sweepings Food Lion passes off as coffee.
    Hope you have a happy day.

  13. catsworking says:

    Bonnie and Anita, thanks for the birthday wishes. I’ve been cooking all afternoon in big batches, but not saying what because it’s a surprise for somebody this weekend.

    I may hit the vodka tonight to celebrate. I bought myself some chocolate cupcakes with thick white icing and sprinkles.

  14. catsworking says:

    Cindy, we are about to find out what Food Lion is selling as coffee. Their store brand was on sale for $4.29 so I bought one Breakfast Blend. 😉

    If they don’t debate again, I won’t miss it. I hate staying up so late to watch that shit. I did just turn on the TV to see that Trump’s planning some kind of Evita moment on the balcony tomorrow for a few hundred people he can spray with COVID.

    They know he’s still contagious, because if he wasn’t, they’d be announcing this test results. Fuckers.

    Thanks for the birthday wishes, Cindy!

  15. Randi says:

    Happy Birthday, Karen! Enjoy the day with cake and kitty cuddles… and some drinks later. 😉 I wish you many more happy years to come – and Trump out of the WH!

  16. catsworking says:

    Randi, thank you. Trump’s becoming more frantic by the minute. No one who’s been paying attention believes for a moment he’s been “cured” of COVID — the only person on the planet to have achieved it in less than a week. When they wean him off the drugs and he starts crashing, it will be great. He could be on a ventilator or in a box by Election Day.

    He did an interview yesterday where he admitted the doctors told him he could have died, but he also claims he never had shortness of breath (even though the admitted he got oxygen twice). NOTHING he says anymore makes sense. His brain is more scrambled than ever.

  17. dolphinwrite says:

    You know. I’ve never even thought about Joe Biden dying, or any other candidate. I prefer the radical left to keep speaking so more and more people can wake up to the incredible disinformation campaigns. What our president did, while helping the economy by reducing taxation and regulations, protecting the American people, and bringing pride in America back on the big stage, while the radical journalists continue to hate America, is dredge up all the ugliness that tore up our country. I actually wish that these radicals wake up, for their own sakes. Then, they can be part of the great experiment, which is the greatest nation ever.

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