Anthony Bourdain’s Ex-Wife Nancy: Found

By Karen

Nancy Putkoski Bourdain isn’t a vampire. She’s been visible to Tony’s fans since A Cook’s Tour, if we only knew where to look. On this particular occasion, the camera happened to catch her after dusk, but it’s purely coincidental.

I apologize for these shots looking so Loch-Ness-Monsterish – blurry and grainy. I took them from my TV during the San Sebastian, Spain, episode, but I’m 99.9% certain it’s Nancy.

A reader named Barb gave me the lead. (Thanks!) I’d be 100% sure it’s Nancy if I only had the Portugal episode (she’s supposed to be in that one, too), but that will have to wait until the Food Network cooperates and shows it again.

Tony wrote about this nocturnal crawl through tapas bars with a group of women in his companion book. About his wife, he says, … I’d compounded the danger factor by bringing along my wife, Nancy, a woman with her own limitless potential for causing mayhem…. I was keeping a sharp, worried eye on Nancy, who hated the idea of making a television show, hated being near a camera, and had already taken a serious dislike to the producer for keeping me busy most of the day shooting ‘B-roll,’ meaning scenery, shots of me walking around and pretending I was thinking deep thoughts, while she stewed, neglected, in a hotel room.

Here’s our first glimpse of Nancy, talking to Tony at the bar.

Next, I caught her in the background, the middle woman behind Tony:

And as the sequence wraps, Tony thanks his “posse” of women standing around him, numbering them, “1, 2, 3, 4.” Then he hesitates while looking off-camera to his right before saying, “5,” and they briefly widen the frame to include Nancy:

If she hated his TV antics that much back then, her attitude probably didn’t improve when he hopped to The Travel Channel and his shooting schedule doubled to an hour-long format with No Reservations.

But now curious fans can say they’ve seen her at last and another of life’s great mysteries has been solved.

109 Responses to Anthony Bourdain’s Ex-Wife Nancy: Found

  1. Bob says:

    Well Done. I must agree that after reviewing the material that it does appear to be the elusive Nancy.

    The Kicker is She Even LOOKS like a Vassar Chick. LOL

    To my eye she looked like she was having fun, even a little giggle out of her.

  2. catsworking says:

    I didn’t want to say it, but I agree with you. She looks like a Vassar woman. If you read Tony’s book, in the pages right before he discusses this outing, he talks about how he used to hang out with all the hardcore Vassar co-eds and get totally wasted.

    Even though Nancy had her issues with the producer, it did look like she enjoyed herself here even though she had to dodge the camera.

  3. Bob says:

    Just watched the Portugal Episode with Jose’s family.
    If indeed we are right, is caught in a few shots with the family eating at the dinner table seated next to tony.

    There is one pan shot where you get a good 2 second look at her. Glasses long dark hair.


    Actually I have read all of his cooking books and am reading bone in the throat now.

  4. catsworking says:

    Thanks Bob. You have verified that I have the right person. People don’t usually show up with him in two different locales like Spain and Portugal unless they’re with him – with the exception of the infamous Zamir.

    We did the same thing to authenticate Ottavia. Someone said she was with him in Tuscany, then it was a matter of matching her to the Miami Ink episode.

    I guess next as Ariane becomes a toddler, we’ll have to be watching for cameos of her in future episodes.

    I loved his two novels, and I hope you do, too.

  5. Titi says:

    You are the best! I haven’t been this entertianed in a long time. You missed your calling as a detective. I stumbled on to you wanting to read about Mr. Bourdain. I am an avid fan of his and now yours.. Thanks for all the news.

  6. catsworking says:

    Why, thank you Titi. I didn’t start out as a Bourdain detective, but it seemed to be what my readers want, so I’ve been sharing whatever I find out. Getting photos of Nancy was definitely my toughest challenge yet. It was easier to find one of him NAKED (see my post on Nancy being a vampire for that link if you haven’t already – it’s the next best thing to actual porn).

    The underlying message of this blog is that working like a cat works. To get what you want, you have to be persistent, vigilant, and sometimes a little sneaky. 😉

  7. Titi says:

    The “big bone” photo I have looked at again and again and…and as a working cat would say “it’s purrrrrfect!”
    I am hooked and will return often. Thanks again.

  8. Nickole says:

    I gotta say that Ottavia is definitely an upgrade.

  9. catsworking says:

    If by “upgrade” you mean that Ottavia probably has a lot less miles on her because she’s young enough to be Nancy’s daughter, yes she is. However, I give Nancy a lot of credit for lasting with Tony as long as she did, given his insane work schedule as a chef and his admitted problems with drugs. After all they went through together, it’s beyond ironic that his fame may have been what finished them as a couple.

  10. coolienne says:

    Just curious, is Tony’s current wife an sian or at least of Asian ethnicity ?
    Didn’t know catching a glimpse of her face was that grand.. but hey! very off beat path as a post 🙂

  11. Nickole says:

    No, I really didn’t mean upgrade by age. I think at any age, Ottavia is a much better looking catch, and I’m not really an Ottavia fan either. I was just quite surprised to see how homely wife #1 was.

  12. catsworking says:

    Tony’s current wife, Ottavia, is Italian.

    In looks, Ottavia and Nancy seem to be two different types altogether, although from the things Tony has written about them, they’re both pretty tough cookies. Ottavia studies martial arts, and Tony writes in “A Cook’s Tour” about seeing Nancy decking some woman with a quick punch to the neck.

    I wonder what it is about him that makes his women feel the need to be proficient in physical self-defense…

  13. Nickole says:

    Ever wonder if Tony’s found your blog? He seems to casually read his comments back at the old Top Chef blog and the Travel Channel blog because he occasionally responds en mass to them. P.S. New season of No Reservations starts July 7th!

  14. Yes cats you should have been a detective. Like Titi, I too find this oddly entertaining in a guilt provoking sort of way.

    Now cats, maybe we can get you to figure out other mysteries, like Easter Island ; )

  15. catsworking says:

    Nickole, thanks for the tip on the new season. I hadn’t heard that! But I won’t be anywhere near a TV set that night…. I’ll have to set the VCR.

    I do wonder if the man himself has ever stopped by. Just in case he does, I try to be no more snide than he’d be in my place, worshipping from afar. To protect his privacy and not look like I’ve totally gone over the edge, I’ve withheld some things I found, like addresses and phone numbers, which would encourage crazies. On the other hand, I haven’t searched anywhere that’s not generally accessible with a little creativity and I haven’t posted anything that isn’t already out there. Somehow, Cats Working has become sort of a clearing house for Bourdain tidbits and I hope he wouldn’t mind.

    If Anthony Bourdain ever does us the honor of leaving a comment, I just hope it’s complimentary. If he slammed us unmercifully, as only he can do, the humiliation would as painful as those poor contestants suffer at his hands on “Top Chef.”

  16. MorganLF says:

    First off I cannot find the ‘big bone’ photo and a going mad! Second it is fair to say that Tony is not the guy totally chasing just T and A.Face it none of the ladies Nancy, Paula, Ottavia are true lookers. If he hooked up with say Pam Anderson I’d think ill of him. On the other hand …he is the most gorgeous, funny, urbane, talented, ridiculously cool dude on the he could collect all the trim he needs with the crook of a finger …hell I’d be all over that. It is just inconceivable to me how she can survive losing him. My personal thought is she has problems…I mean cute as he is no normal person can put up with a 7 year dope habit unless they have ine too. I

  17. catsworking says:

    Morgan, I clicked the link to the photo in my post about Nancy being a vampire and went right to it. It’s about 2/3 of the way down the page. I also posted the link in full in the comments on that post. I don’t know what’s happening with you. Maybe you should try clearing your browser cache or try using a different browser. I have AOL and sometimes it won’t let me get to site that I can access through Firefox or IE.

  18. catsworking says:

    PS I agree with you that Bourdain could probably have just about any woman he wants right now, but he must have found all the women you mentioned attractive or he wouldn’t have hooked up with them. Maybe he’s the rare man who’s not totally into looks. I like to think he saw something special that turned him on in each of these women beyond surface beauty (except maybe Paula – I think she may have been a rebound thing and he was just looking for a place to crash with built-in a$$).

    Yes, I know, many people have said they don’t think Nancy or Ottavia are pretty. OK, they’re not beauty queen material, but I can see how they might have their own brand of allure for him. And remember, Tony hooked up with Nancy when they were teenagers. Like all of us, she probably looked quite different 30+ years ago.

  19. MorganLF says:

    got the pic….man is he skinny and the way he eats!! But i love when he mumbles under his breath on camera about how many more shots do we need to see of his concave chest…I’d still tap that.

  20. catsworking says:

    Excellent! I was amazed at how strong and toned he looks, considering his lifestyle and the fact that I don’t think I’ve ever seen a word about him exercising. I guess it comes from being so tall and slender. HOW he stays so slim is a mystery for sure.

    And I wonder why he needed to pose with such a big bone?? :-O

  21. julia says:

    here’s a link to just that photo alone:

    you can do a search in google-images under “bourdain bone”, but turn off the safe-search feature.
    i don’t think bourdain was purposely hiding his wife (ex and/or current), i just think he doesn’t talk about his personal life, as he has said as much on the NR message board.
    i’m looking forward to the new NR season.
    kathy griffin’s new season just started on Bravo, happy about that too!

  22. julia says:

    oh, i forgot to add this link:
    it’s the q&a w/ bourdain from a few years ago on, where he mentions his wife nancy and her profession.
    if that is her in the above photos, she looks like how he describes her…smart and tough.

  23. catsworking says:

    Julia, thanks for that link to eGullet. From what I was reading, our man’s got 759 posts out there. I’ll have to spend some time looking through it to see if I can find any other interesting tidbits.

    I like Kathy Griffin, too, but I just haven’t been able to get through a whole episode of her new season.

  24. Bob says:


    It appears that she is in BOTH Cooks Tour Portugal episodes.
    There is a very nice close up of her just prior to eating fish head at a little joint.

  25. catsworking says:

    Thanks Bob! I’ve got the episode that starts in Portugal and ends in France, so I’ll have to watch it again, now that I know who I’m looking for. I also just saw that the other Portugal episode is set to air on Food Network in early July. Don’t have the exact date with me.

  26. Barb says:

    you are missing the point -when Tony says Nancy is a “self-taught sea lawyer”–you can’t be self-taught and practice law anywhere in the US-what he means is that she taught herself enough to defend herself in court the many times she and Tony were faced with eviction–because they were drug addicts. What about that isn’t clear to you? And as far as not talking about his personal life–that’s all his books are about, including the fiction!

  27. catsworking says:

    Somewhere, I read that Nancy’s profession was advertising. Someone on one of these posts said she hasn’t worked for years. I don’t know if that’s true or not. Now that she’s on her own, I would think she’s got a job somewhere. She just doesn’t look like the type to sit back on a cushy divorce settlement, if she ever got one.

    I’ve got a posting in the works where I found Tony talking a little about how much of Nancy is in his fiction. Stay tuned…

  28. julia says:

    barb, i didn’t mean she was a lawyer.
    you can work in a court house or a law office w/o a law degree, like being a paralegal or a secretary, and i assumed that is what he was talking about because of this sentence— “…while my wife puts them through a painful, lengthy and intrusive “discovery” process…”
    you don’t put someone thru a discovery process unless you are actually working somewhere in the legal world.
    since i’ve never been a drug addict, faced w/ eviction, or been in housing court, none of those experiences is clear to me.
    since you are obviously familiar w/ and vocal about all those things, thanks so much for clearing it all up for everyone.
    what is your issue w/ bourdain?
    you sound like a woman scorned, very bitter.
    like you had a thing for bourdain, but he turned you down and now all you can do is bad mouth him, proclaiming he has “issues w/ women”, and bad mouthing his ex wife, and neither of them are here to defend themselves.
    in his books he gives hints of things in his personal life, he never goes into great detail about his personal love life.
    if he did, we already would’ve known alot more about nancy than we do, and more about ottavia than we do.
    how do we know anything you say is accurate?
    just because you say so?
    simply put, we don’t know.
    i don’t think bourdain is an angel, i think he is probably incredibly difficult in real life, but i’m going to go w/ anything typed by him personally, over the mostly inaccurate gossip that floods the internet.

    catsworking—not to rain on your parade, but something occured to me.
    tracy gudwin (sp?….goodwin?) is a producer on NR and was on “a cooks tour” too.
    she’s on every trip, i think she’s a camera person.
    if you’ve ever seen her, she looks remarkably like the woman in in the stills you posted from the portugal episode.
    it’s hard to tell cuz the pics are grainy, but i’m wondering if it could be tracy and not nancy?
    don’t wanna’ make you tear your hair out or anything…..i just saw her in the argentina episode and thought, wow, she looks just like that pic of who we thought was nancy…..although tracy’s hair looks curlier and lighter in color…but hmmm….

  29. catsworking says:

    Julia, I think Tony may have used “discovery process” tongue in cheek, meaning Nancy would leave no stone unturned in digging up dirt on someone to prove her point.

    Barb does seem to possibly be acquainted with the Bourdains. Whether she has any axe to grind against them is as big a mystery as Tony’s personal life in many areas. Maybe she’ll come back and fill us in a bit.

    Interesting point about Tracy on his crew, but I think I caught Nancy for 2 reasons: 1) Because Tony says specifically in his book that she was in that scene and nobody else fits the bill, and 2) The way he acknowledged her at the end as a member of his “posse.” He hesitated as if debating (as husbands do) whether he’d catch hell later for mentioning her.

    And if Tracy is a camera person, she would have been on the other side of the camera, not eating and drinking with the gang during filming.

    And someone mentioned Nancy being in one of the Portugal episodes glaring at the camera, which would tie in to what Tony said about her antipathy toward the crew and being on screen. Once I see those, if it’s the same person I caught here, I’d say it’s definitely Nancy.

    To me it looks like he worked Nancy into the show precisely as he did Ottavia in Tuscany. Ottavia showed up in mid-show out of nowhere, unintroduced, at the table when he prepared a meal to bad-mouth his cooking. But Nancy didn’t even get any lines.

  30. Bob says:

    Have to agree with you Karen. The person featured in the Portugal episodes is 99% Nancy for sure. As for the it being Tracey Gudwin Highly doubt it. Like you said she is always behind the camera except for the occasional leech or freak out being sent over a cliff.

    one thing I have been wondering about is Tracey’s lack of credits in season 3.
    Does it seem strange that her disappearance from the show roughly coincides with his breakup with Nancy and his marriage to Ottavia????

    We will see if shes back on the show when the NEW episodes start airing next month.

    I Have WAYYY too much free time

  31. catsworking says:

    Bob what are you implying about Tracey’s disappearance? Do you suspect Tony may have dabbled in crew between wives? He wouldn’t be the first.

    Or maybe Tracey is married and left to start a family or something.

    I must confess to a curious lack of interest in his crew, which was why I wasn’t over the moon about his latest book. Yes, they do a great job capturing his adventures, often under very uncomfortable circumstances, but I never see enough of them to really care to know more.

    Life should be getting easier for them soon because Tony said in a recent interview in Uruguay that he’s giving up the wild stunts because he owes it to Ariane to live until she’s at least 10.

  32. Bob says:

    Well really don’t know what I am saying bout Tracey. Just found it curious that shes been off the show around that time.

    In all actual fact the only two crew members that Interest me are Tracey and Todd and sometimes Nari . Oops guess thats 3 eh.

    Where did you find the Uruguay interview??

  33. catsworking says:

    There’s a link to the Uruguay interview in the comments under “Has Success Spoiled Anthony Bourdain.” It’s pretty long and it’s in Spanish, so I pasted it in pieces into a translator to get the gist of it. It’s got some interesting stuff about why he went to Uruguay. His brother Chris is going to be in that episode, too.

  34. Barb says:

    Once again, you are wrong. You keep insisting on taking things literally–catsworking is right about the tongue-in-cheek thing. You don’t really seem to get Tony’s ironic, sarcastic style of writing, do you? And you’re also wrong about me having a “thing” for him and being turned down! As far from the truth as possible. I know them both, I guess I have slightly more sympathy for Nancy. What I DO have an issue with are the stupid fans who believe all the bull in his writing/self-promotion. You don’t seem to have any problem jumping to conclusions in my case but are more than content to take things at face value and to hold on to your misconceptions about Tony, about his wife’s profession, etc. And the last time I checked, he, Nancy or his current wife are all free to post here any time and “defend” themselves.

  35. catsworking says:

    Barb, thanks for coming back and filling us in!

    Now, Barb and Julie, let’s pull in the claws, take a deep breath, and purr. It’s only a blog.

    I think it’s very hard for celebrities NOT to embellish their lives, if only out of a desire to live up to fan expectations. I think Tony has been remarkably candid about the sordidness of his pre-fame existence, even if he hasn’t gone into every single gory detail. The guy does deserve to have some secrets.

    Interesting, Barb, that you seem to be in Nancy’s corner. I have to say that I am, too. Yes, it takes 2 to wreck a marriage, but she did stick with him for all those years, for better or worse, whatever the reason. That’s got to be worth something.

    Barb, since you know them, I hope you’ll stick around and let us know if we ever get too far off the track, since a lot of people seem to be coming here to find out about him.

    (I didn’t realize the strength of Bourdain Power when I wrote the post that started it all.) 😉

  36. MorganLF says:

    Well I’ve been away a few days and reas the Barb/Julie posts with avid interest. As I have maintained on this blog, I have had a strong belief that Nancy must have also had drug issues, some of that supported in his bookm Nasty Bits when he discusses the way they lived. Also his drug abuse lasted YEARS…per th 60 minuted interview it too 6-7 just to kick so what was she doing? Barb your insight has been very illuminating. Nancy is clearly smart enough to beat the system in housing court, but frankly since I’ve never faced eviction can’t say its a skill I admire. I hope she’s cleaned up as good as he has. Past shennanigans aside he is one smart funny bastard and that in my book is the goods!

  37. MorganLF says:

    by the way here is the definition of “sea lawyer” you can google it he definitely used in toungue in cheek Julia.

    S: (n) sea lawyer (an argumentative and contentious seaman)

  38. G says:

    There is a nice picture of Nancy and Tony in the August 14, 2000 issue of People Weekly Magazine.

  39. catsworking says:

    I don’t know how I’d get my hands on that issue, but it’s good to know that he wasn’t keeping Nancy in the closet when he started making a name for himself as an author.

  40. CmvBBay says:

    I have that article and photo from People Magazine – it’s been tucked into my copy of Kitchen Confidential for almost 8 years. I could scan it but don’t have any central location where I could post it.

  41. catsworking says:

    CmvBBay, if you can scan the article, you can e-mail it to me by going to my page called “Karen and the Cats” and clicking on the link under my bio. It will take you to my book’s Web site, where there’s a “Contact” page. No one has ever sent me an attachment through that address before, but I think you can do it.

  42. MorganLF says:

    Please try I’d love to see it. Let’s face it we are all slightly in awe of this woman who lived with our hero for 30 years and must have been a great contributor to the Tony we see…btw have lately started viewing episodes of a Cooks Tour, Food Chanel is running them in the NYC area Sundays @ 3:30. He was so different saw the one where he went to Veritas and bagels at Barney Greengrass and man has he taken vocal lessons!! I was in another room and I thought how odd they are using someone else to do the voice overs, which is his trademark at NR. It was a much rougher New York style delivery (probably the way I sound). Even his look was a little rough, pale dark circles, hair a bit too long like a,a,a oh yeah like a junkie. But now he’s deeply tanned and quite buff and sporting the salt and pepper hair which I love along with his slightly crooked but very endearing smile…yes I admit it.. I have it pretty bad. 🙂

  43. catsworking says:

    I’ve seen about half the Cook’s Tour episodes, and I agree that the Tony we see today is very different and much smoother. In just a few short years, travel really polished him – and aged him.

    Speaking of Tony traveling, I just found this post from June 23 of him collecting luggage in an Italian airport, where the poster said he was on a flight with Tony and “his family” flying Continental from Newark to Rome. I’m thinking he’s on a visit with Ottavia’s family, perhaps?

  44. MorganLF says:

    Hey guys guess what? today the boy is 52 !! Happy Birthday Tony!!

  45. catsworking says:

    Oh, wow! You’re right. Totally slipped my mind. Well, it looks like he’s celebrating his birthday in sunny Italy. Way to go!

  46. Annika says:

    Here is the link to the People Magazine edition with the photo of Tony and Nancy. You have to download the entire edition and you can see them on page 86 cuddling on the sofa.,,7566000814,00.html

  47. CmvBBay says:

    I finally was able to scan the article and will send, too, if you still want it now that the magazine link is available (have new PC and was having syncing issues).

  48. rh says:

    Thanks for the link, nice photo of the two of them, he is looking very lovingly into her eyes. I guess eight years (ago) is a long time, things change fast. Maybe we’ll see some pics out there of Bourdain and his new wife and daughter.

  49. catsworking says:

    Thanks for the link, but life’s too short to download a 90MB file. If anyone who can do it has the capability to extract that page from the PDF, or save the photo as a JPG, and e-mail it to me using the link to contact me on my “Karen and the Cats” page, I’ll give it its own post.

    CmvBBay, if you want to send me the scanned article, I’ll see what I can do with it in case no one else comes through.

    But I’m taking a break from the blog for a week, so it will be several days before I can get to it.

  50. MorganLF says:

    Guys I just snagged 2 tickets to a Bourdain appearance at Ceasars in Atlantic City!!! The VIP tix included an after event where he cooks and you dine …but they were sold out bummer!!! If anyone knows where I can snag a VIP tix please advise also advise of any appearances you may know of in the future.

  51. foiegras says:

    catsworking, great blog. i am a big fan of Bourdains and was always curious what his wife looked like. googled and ur blog came up. i uploaded the pic of Nancy from the People’s Magazine it was actually page 82. Looks like she took off her glasses for the photo or maybe contacs. good times.


  52. Bob says:


    Portugal, A Cooks Tour, Comming off the plane.

    Funny when you know what she looks like she just jumps off the page like an old love
    (no Disrespect) but kinda in that scanning a crowd thing. BOOM

    There she or he is, or is it your eyes fooling you????
    Gone In a flash.

    Anyways Karen thought you would like the update

    DAMMM I am getting almost as rabid as you.

  53. catsworking says:

    Bob, I recently saw that Portugal episode myself, and Nancy is seated with Tony all through a dinner, too. She keeps popping in and out of the edges of the frame, and she’s walking out the door in front of him as they leave the restaurant. I’ve been meaning to try to get some better shots of her from that.

    I just think it’s weird the way he shows up in these foreign countries with locals, and one stray American-looking woman, and it’s never explained. From what he says, that was Nancy’s preference. Or maybe it was the Travel Channel thinking he’d get higher ratings if he seemed footloose and fancy-free. Probably a combination of both.

  54. bunnybonnet says:

    I’ve become a huge Anthony Bourdain fan from watching No Reservations. It’s a little sad to see that picture of him with his ex-wife, because they look really cute together and happy. 😦 He’s a complicated person, like all of us, but there’s just something so incredibly sexy about him . . . At least Nancy had some good years with him. I hope he has figured out some personal stuff so that his life with Ottavia and their daughter goes more smoothly.

  55. catsworking says:

    I think “complicated” is an excellent way to describe him. He’s definitely got more layers to his personality than an onion. Regardless of how his relationships end up, I feel certain that the women he’s known experienced some wonderful times with him when things were going well.

    If you’re interested in his wives, stay tuned for tomorrow’s post…

  56. TopCat says:

    Rode the plane with Tony and his family from Newark to FLL last Nov. 2008. Of course it was difficult to see if they enjoyed the ride, after the cabin curtain was pulled but I’m sure there was food up there…

  57. MorganLF says:

    Hey TC was his daughter on the flight? Does she have red/auburn hair? We saw a pic from behind and it looks like she does. Odd as his wife and he are dark.

  58. catsworking says:

    Morgan, are you trying to call Ottavia’s virtue into question? 😉

    Ariane looked like she had black hair as a newborn in that calendar picture. I was also born with a full head of black hair, but it lightened up to brown by the time I was her age. It happens.

  59. VespaGirl says:

    Well, it’s a relief to know I’m not the only freak who has been dying to see either Mrs. Bourdain! Thanks so much for all the info; it’s great to finally get answers to questions. I’ve never been into “bad boys” but I’ve got it bad for Anthony Bourdain! I met him at a book signing for the NR companion book and he’s just plain hot! I completely embarrass myself whenever I eat at Les Halles in NYC, even though he’s no longer there. I highly recommend that cookbook as it’s just plain good reading. I’ve never read a cookbook cover to cover like a novel but I did with that one.

  60. catsworking says:

    Bourdain does seem to draw a very clear line in the sand between his professional and private lives, which is understandable. But in this age of information overload where the Internet allows anyone to post anything and make it instantly available worldwide, I’m afraid he’s fighting a losing battle. However, figuring out just who Nancy was turned out to be quite a jigsaw puzzle, with him leaving little pieces here and there.

    VespaGirl, I’ve been on the fence about the cookbook, and it does represent a glaring hole in my Bourdain library. Your recommendation has made up my mind., here I come!

  61. VespaGirl says:

    Good for you, hope you enjoy it! It’s written exactly as he speaks which is what makes it so entertaining (bad language and all). I’ve only cooked a couple of thing from it so far and now that I’m starting pastry school I probably won’t have time to tackle any more for a while. You’ll have to let everyone know if you make anything. That might be fun – to have people prepare things from the book and report on it. A different take on a book club!

    Good luck.

  62. catsworking says:

    A cookbook with bad words in it. Now that’s something I’d like to read!

  63. Zozo says:

    i have to agree with all of you ladies, i’m reading Kitchen Confidential and have been checking out his pics on line… he is very sexy… and a man who is passionate about food and eating… he seems to like excess… how can we fault him for that.

  64. catsworking says:

    Zozo, it sounds as if you are just discovering the wonder that is Anthony Bourdain. I highly recommend his novels as well as his non-fiction. They’re hilarious, yet exciting, delving into the world of organized crime, and show his great range as a writer. “Gone Bamboo,” “Bone in the Throat,” and “The Bobby Gold Stores,” which is a collection of interrelated short stories.

  65. tabasco says:

    cats, great blog. i am loving it all!!!!!!!!! i am a HUGE bourdain fan…love him, LOVE HIM!

  66. catsworking says:

    Thank you, Tabasco, and Welcome to Cats Working!

  67. ladydiana1956 says:

    Great topics…you like cats & Anthony Bourdain (I’m in)!
    Pretty wild that he split with wife #1 after all that time, because he sounded really connected with her.
    Wife #2….wow now tha’ts sure different, & even a child.

  68. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Ladydiana!

    Yes, somehow Cats Working morphed into a very Bourdain-centric blog as well, so we are all sharing space. Bourdain and Ottavia (and Nancy) happen to be cat people, as well.

  69. LADYDIANA1956 says:

    I have read a few of his books…I have no cable TV, but borrow DVDs of “NO RESERVATIONS”…love it!
    What got me hooked was I once was staying in a hotel watching the telie, and an episode where he was drinking vodka, and then jumping in this frozen lake….I think over near Russia.I thought hey this guy knows how to enjoy himself…good food, wine etc, travel. His humour is pretty cool, & he is born same year as me 😉 Not to mention he is pretty good looking….cool dresser…and on it goes (down Diana he is married).

    I once saw a photo where Tony is laying on a couch with a lady…I thought that was Nancy.

  70. LADYDIANA1956 says:

    I see someone has that photo on your site sorry…I think in that photo without glasses, she looks like Janis Joplin when she was Pearl(or the album was Pearl).

  71. catsworking says:

    Lady Diana, you have a good eye. That was Nancy in the photo, and it took us a long time to track one down. Nobody seemed to know what she looked like until we put 2 + 2 together between his book A Cook’s Tour and the few episodes of the show where she appeared on camera. Then the old article from People magazine surfaced and we knew we had the right lady.

    I agree there’s a bit of resemblance to Janis Joplin. There hasn’t been any word on Nancy since she and Tony split. We hope she’s finding there’s life after Bourdain and doing well.

  72. LADYDIANA1956 says:

    I know there doesn’t seem to be an ill word…
    Is it correct they split in 2004? Les Halles book time….dedication to Nancy. Guess if that’s true, then there was a bit of time and space there till he married his new partner. (maybe there is a gag order 😉
    I haven’t read Nasty Bits yet…looking forward to that.
    Maybe his first Mrs. goes by a different last name…OR there is lotsa respect still ….
    That’s a fair length of time to be with some one, & if she were a not so nice person, could sure burst his fame.
    They always say they were high school sweeties, but they went to different schools girls/boys kind of thing (same hood though). I also realize that she is a wee bit older than he…
    Dam…I do feel like a spy…for shame ;(

    Di(of the great white North)

  73. catsworking says:

    Lady Diana, I think you’re right about the split being around 2004, after he’d traveled quite a bit. I think it was the No Resepisode in Malaysia where he seemed depressed about it. Since it can take a year or 2 for a book to go to print, dedicating the cookbook to Nancy was probably the right thing to do at the time.

    From what little he’s said about it, he and Nancy just grew apart. His travels were changing him, and she wasn’t interested in going along for the ride. She didn’t share his taste for exotic food, and she didn’t like being in front of a camera. And I think VERY few women would enjoy tagging along to some of the wilder places without good plumbing he’s gone. Ottavia doesn’t seem to join him on those jaunts either.

    This is pure conjecture on my part, but I don’t think divorce was in the original plan because, as you say, Nancy was his high school sweetheart and they shared a lot of history. Maybe they thought they might eventually reunite once they’d had some breathing space. I don’t know NY law, but it doesn’t seem like it should take a childless couple 3 years to divorce unless they delayed doing the paperwork.

    And there hasn’t been the slightest whiff of rancor about it I’ve ever seen. Certainly, Tony has never said anything disparaging about Nancy. Quite the contrary. Any mention of her in his books is respectful and admiring.

    Events forced the issue. Tony couldn’t foresee he would fall hard for Ottavia, and that bond would make him want a child. I think that’s what got the divorce rolling. I found somewhere that it was final on April 5, 2007. Ariane was born on April 9, and he married Ottavia on April 20.

    Nancy’s maiden name, by the way, is Putkoski. Maybe she’s taken it back. I don’t know. Or maybe she’s remarried, proving there IS life after Tony. 🙂

  74. LADYDIANA1956 says:

    It feels like maybe Nancy was the one to end it….
    So….after a while life goes on. Sometimes you want it to move faster and away from past stuff, so you make things happen. Anyways he has a pretty interesting life…..Travel can change you…can wear you out sometimes too.

  75. catsworking says:

    LadyDiana, I agree with you. Nancy was the one sitting at home alone for those last several years while he was off making TV. That had to get old. Since she apparently wasn’t willing to play the celeb game, it made sense to end it.

    On the other hand, she provided his stability, keeping the home fire burning and a place to come home to. He seems to need that. Can’t blame him. Otherwise, he’d be living out of a suitcase all the time.

    So, being cut loose from the home and relationship he’d had for so many years must have been a shock to the system, no matter whose idea it was.

    I just hope Nancy is living her happily ever after somehow.

  76. LADYDIANA1956 says:

    I know he quit smoking, but have you noticed no earring now? I also notice his hair is cut shorter and not so curly ….too bad, cause those were nice touches;) Not the smoking,good on him he quit that one. I apologize to those that are still smokers, cause i know its a hard one to quit. Everyone has got some kind of habit…(chocolate is good) 😉
    What is the latest you have heard on Anthony?

  77. catsworking says:

    Lady Diana, I’ve also noticed that he lost the earring somewhere along the way. And he does seem to keep his hair shorter these days.

    I’ll be reporting my latest findings on Bourdain very shortly.

  78. mar says:

    I used to like Anthony Bourdain’s looks and personality until I saw him in person, we had him in town not long ago, he looks sooooooo diferent, he is spaguetti thin and has very short hair totally gray his beautiful curly hair is gone and he looks very old and doesn’t have that sexy appeal that he shows on tv, I guess is the magic of cameras that works well with him and also I can say his wife seems such a smart woman but I can’t say that she is pretty, she has that weird look in the eyes and those hair bangs makes her look like a indian from Guatemala

  79. catsworking says:

    Welcome, mar! You’re right that Bourdain does seem to be wearing his hair a lot shorter these days, and age definitely seems to be catching up with him, like the rest of us. He’s been through a LOT since he started doing No Res. Besides all the travel, he’s divorced and remarried and became a dad, not to mention getting trapped in that war in Beirut. That’s enough to make anybody go gray!

    I spoke to him and Ottavia in person up close in November, and I have to say I still think he’s attractive, and she’s beautiful. Great skin, silky hair, beautiful eyes and eyelashes. Photos of her don’t really do her justice. She’s very vivacious and that doesn’t come across in stills. But I wouldn’t call her a classic beauty, like Grace Kelly or Ava Gardner. She’s more quirky, so if you catch her the wrong way, you might not think she’s attractive. Barbra Streisand was like that in her younger days. They could make her look gorgeous or hideous.

  80. MorganLF says:

    Just caught this post and I would have agreed about his hair, but last night on CNN he looked smokin’ and the hair is getting longer. I like the silver but then the men in my family are all early silver foxes…I get stuck with preternaturally colored red hair that just fades to dopey strawberry.

    As for Ottavia I’ve said it before, in person she is a doll. So different from pictures I’d kill for her eyelashes and Birkin bag)!

  81. Valerie says:

    Is this site about cats or Anthony Bourdain? Don’t know – just went on it as I was trying to find out a little more about the man behind the travel show. He obviously has huge appeal to a lot of gals out there. I don’t think he’s as cool a dude as he would like to be seen to be – the little boy inside the man is ever present and I suspect he’s much kinder than people realise – we get glimpses of this. In the U.K. we haven’t got his most recent episodes – rather dissapointed to hear that his hair is uber short now. Ah well . . . As for wives, isn’t it nice that he hasn’t just gone for a dolly bird!

  82. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Valerie! This site is a 3-year-old joint effort between one woman and three cats, and it has turned out to be about 20-25% Anthony Bourdain, and the rest mostly topics of interest to the cats. Most readers seem to find Cats Working by doing searches on Bourdain to find out more about his history and personal life, and it has led me (Karen) to actually meet Bourdain and his wife Ottavia. They are a great couple, and much more down-to-earth than you might expect people in the public eye to be.

  83. Christine Blanco says:

    To see pictures of Anthony Bourdain’s first wife just google “A Cook’s Tour San Sabastian” or Portugal (circa 2001/2002). Use the PrtScr (top row on keyboard)procedure to copy images.

  84. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Christine, and thanks for the tip!

  85. Jill Fuller says:

    Just met Anthony on tour in Raleigh last night. He was exhausted and I was at the end of an hour and a half long line after his speaking engagement, during the VIP portion. I was disappointed that the twinkle in his eye was rare as people came up and got their books signed and pictures taken. I guess he was just tired and it’s hard to be genuine to every human being, but we paid good money just to have a moment to experience the magic that comes across on-camera. I was also disappointed that he seemed disconnected from the audience in that his monologue was just that… no interaction whatsoever with the crowd until question time. Even if someone called out something witty he didn’t laugh or acknowledge. Just was hoping to cross that barrier of “I think you’re great and came all the way to pay to tell you so because otherwise you would never know I exist” and him actually caring. I know my expectations are high but there’s gotta be people out there that do it that actually seem as interested in their fans as Bourdain does in the people he meets on TV.

  86. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Jill!

    Unfortunately, Raleigh was Bourdain’s last stop in a long week. On Wednesday, he spoke in Hershey, PA. Thursday night he was in DC hosting the Capital Food fight, and that was over 2 hours on stage. Friday night he did an appearance in Charleston, and Saturday night it was Raleigh. Between those gigs, he was probably sitting around in airports, which is exhausting in itself. He doesn’t have “people” who smooth the way for him. He travels alone and gets himself from Point A to B to C, etc. He’s admitted that it can be depressing, and packing so many appearances so close together probably doesn’t help. But he probably wants to do a bunch at once so he can have some extended down time at home.

    I saw him speak in Durham in February 2009 and would describe him as exactly opposite what you saw. He was very engaged with the audience and responded to things people yelled out. It sounds to me like he was just bushed last night, but of course I realize that’s a disappointment when you paid good money to see the man from TV on top of his game. But he’s only human. The previous week, he got stuck in Haiti during the hurricane, which was probably super-stressful, but he had very little time to recover from that before he was back on the road leading to Raleigh.

    I’ll be interested to see what others on the blogosphere say about his Raleigh appearance.

    As for the VIP portion, I know in Durham his handlers were pushing people through the line as quickly as possible and he wasn’t able to interact much.

    What impresses me about Bourdain is that, up close, you realize he’s just a regular man with a weird job. He doesn’t seem to think of himself as a celebrity who needs to be “on,” but I’m sure he would feel bad to know his fatigue was that noticeable.

  87. Jill Fuller says:

    “On,” as in, he acts like he actually cares about the strangers he meets? I understand, I think we all have to do that when we deal with the public. Maybe he shouldn’t do so many things all at once so he doesn’t get bushed. I’d just like to have had him look at me, smile, shake my hand, and genuinely say, “Thanks for coming… do you watch the show?” But I know, he’s human, and I’ll still read the book I bought, listen to the audiobook I downloaded, and keep watching his show.

  88. catsworking says:

    Jill, by the time you got to him, it sounds like he’d been shaking hands for 90 minutes already. And he did exactly the same thing the night before, and 2 nights before that, with a long hosting gig on his night “off,” as I’ve already explained. Personally, I wouldn’t find anyone showing signs of fatigue unforgivable, but I do get your point. It was possibly your only shot at meeting him.

    I forgot to ask you — during the Q&A, were the questions interesting, or the usual brainless, “What’s the worst thing you’ve ever eaten?” or What’s your favorite meal?” or “How can I get a job like yours?” that he’s answered a thousand times and which now bore him to death?

    I had a similar experience with the late actor, Richard Harris. Many years ago, he performed Camelot in Norfolk. He sang totally off-key and rushed through every line of his performance like he couldn’t wait to get out of there. I chalked it up to an “off” night.

    A few years later, he came to Richmond, so I bought tickets again, hoping for better. Same thing. Obviously, the guy was burned out on playing King Arthur. But I still liked him as an actor.

  89. Jill says:

    I was actually very impressed by the questions. They were intelligent! And he reacted as such.

  90. catsworking says:

    Well, I’m very glad to hear that. Lately in his interviews he has been expressing hopes for the audience to have good questions. That’s really the only variety in the gig he gets, aside from occasionally trying out new material. On the other hand, it’s not just the audiences. He does many interviews with reporters who haven’t done their homework at all and ask him to repeat things he’s already said a million times.

  91. Marina says:

    Loved finding this page! Last night I saw the Sardinia episode of the first time and “met” Ottavia and Ariane. So lovely to see them. I think Ottavia is perfectly charming and gorgeous… not conventional beauty, but fascinating and vivacious. I can see why he fell for her, and I was *so* pleased he hadn’t picked a bimbo, as so many men do once they become famous and choose wife #2. Bourdain has always struck me as a complex person, as most humans are, and he is definitely very handsome. But I love most of all, his wicked humor and his seeming down-to-earth honesty. I get the impression he doesn’t BS too much and pretty well says what’s on his mind. Although I’m sure he also tries to be polite when he’d really rather not be sometimes. In the Sardinia episode, I loved seeing him with Ariane and how much she adored her daddy, and he her. She’s adorable… and his soft side really showed. I’ve always found him to actually be a shy man… my impression anyway, behind all that bravado.

    So, thank you for the great page… I’ll be back to snoop… and I’m so glad you are always respectful and nice in anything you say, and that the negativity and hate so often seen on the internet doesn’t seem to exist here. Nice kitties… all in a fur pile, purring… I like!

  92. catsworking says:

    Welcome to Cats Working, Marina!

    When I first happened upon Anthony Bourdain on No Reservations, I got exactly the same impression of him that you have formed, and I think we are basically spot-on.

    I’ve also been very sympathetic to Nancy because 1) We’re the same age and 2) I hate to see any woman lose her husband of many years just as he makes his mark and their finances are about to take a huge turn for the better.

    But I also can appreciate the frustration Bourdain expressed in his latest book, Medium Raw, that Nancy almost never worked throughout the years they were struggling, despite a Vassar education. As a single woman who has always had to live on one paycheck, I have no patience for a woman who doesn’t carry her own weight.

  93. Marina says:

    I can relate to your feelings about Nancy, and I understand Bourdain’s frustration with having to carry most of the weight over the years. Their marriage was a long one, and obviously there was love there, but some loves can be very unhealthy, no? Both of them being so heavily into drugs was not good, that’s for sure. I could speculate about why she didn’t work despite an excellent education, but I don’t know her, so that wouldn’t really be fair.

    Anyway, I’m just thrilled he’s got Ottavia now, and I hope they do well by *each other* as their relationship continues to grow and mature!

    I must read Medium Raw…

  94. I was reading some of this and thought if you want a good look at the elusive ex Nancy she is in the episode of that tattoo show Bourdain goes on to get a tattoo.

  95. catsworking says:

    Hi, Cringe. Thanks for the tip, but it’s flat-out wrong. The woman who appears with Bourdain in Miami Ink when he gets the skull tattoo is his current wife Ottavia, not Nancy. There’s a link to it somewhere here.

    Nancy appeared a few times in A Cook’s Tour, although she was never identified. I got a few blurry pictures of her off the TV. And there’s a really good picture of her here also somewhere with an interview she did with Tony for People magazine.

    Keep reading.

  96. peter f. says:

    Let’s be a bit fairer to Nancy, shall we? There are all sorts of ways to pull your weight and maybe she did some heavy lifting in other areas. All we have is Tony’s side of things and I think he’s being a bit revisionist lately – suddenly she’s not the wife he adored and represents why he exhibited self-destructive behavior because of the life or lack of it he had to go back to when not traveling.
    I know Ottavia has a kid but she also has a nanny, apparently, and being a banquet manager at a Euro-trash restaurant was not the most demanding career. What about her ambition? Or lack of it? Plus I bet Nancy never spent Tony’s money on a pair of Manolo Blahniks (SP?) in her life. Just saying…
    It seems like whatever Tony does the people here defend him without questions – I think the poster who wrote about him “re-inventing” himself was probably spot-on. How can you trust what he says when he now denies what he was saying for years before? Not exactly trustworthy…I take how he presents his second marriage and how fatherhood has “changed” him with a big grain of salt.

  97. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Peter. I haven’t gone back to read all the comments on this very old post, but if you poke around here, I think you’ll find that we’ve been, on the whole, supportive of Nancy. I wish I knew how she’s doing today, and hope she’s OK and finding that life after Bourdain is good.

    She’s my age, and I hate to see any woman sink decades into a marriage, only to come up empty when her husband finally hits the big-time. To see him marry a much younger woman is the icing on the humiliation cake (nothing against Ottavia, it would be the same with anybody he was dating, I’m just saying).

    And Bourdain may very well be remembering the past differently. I can only speak from what I’ve read, and I’ve read A LOT. Shortly after he and Nancy split, he seemed very reticent and touchy about it in interviews, so I don’t think he blithely dumped her like an old pair of shoes. I think he believed she was the love of his life, and may have even expected to end up back with her, until he realized how totally different life could be with Ottavia. She represented a fresh start and a second chance in many, many ways. Nancy’s memory may be suffering in hindsight.

    I will also add that aside from about a page where he talks about his first marriage in Medium Raw, I have NEVER seen him say an unkind word about Nancy. Any trash you read about her here comes from reader comments, not Bourdain.

    I agree with you that Nancy and Ottavia are different types. From what I’ve seen, Nancy wasn’t into fashion, but she also didn’t have to play the trophy wife and mingle with celebrities, either. Tony’s a lot more well-known now, and it would hardly behoove him to have his pretty wife looking like a schlub. And they’ve apparently got the money now for nice things, so why not?

    I will share that when I met Ottavia in 2009, we talked for about 3 hours. She told me would like to work again, but didn’t know what she could do. She wanted to be with her daughter, who was about 2 1/2 then, and she said no employer would tolerate her taking weeks off here and there to travel with her husband.

    So they live a weird and wonderful life because of his job. Ottavia doesn’t travel with him much because she won’t leave her child behind (I know this for a fact). Even if she does have a nanny, she’s home alone a LOT, and that’s hard on any marriage.

    Right now, Bourdain seems to sincerely believe fatherhood has changed him, and he’s cleaning up his act. I hope it lasts, because if he ever reverts, he’ll come to a very sorry end. I don’t see Ottavia sticking around as an enabler and having her daughter see Daddy stoned and hostile all the time. If Ottavia leaves, he’ll crumble. He’s getting too old to play that game.

  98. MorganLF says:

    Peter we’ve all come a long way here. Revisionist or no we like this Tony and Ottavia. She has her own style is seriously funny and a perfect compliment to this Tony.

    Has he changed? I hope so. He and Nancy seemed a bit toxic don’t you think? What adult puts up with a doper? She had the skills to change her lifestyle and just plain did not.

  99. stillgotit says:

    I just watched the no reservation episode with his current wife, hmmmm still not impressed. Is it me or is her voice hard to take. I think shes wearing the pants in that relationship and also didnt find her as stunning as reported. Ive been to Italy, women there are gorgeous without question, Sophia comes to mind and sorry but the current Mrs Tony aint no Sophia!

  100. catsworking says:

    stillgotit, Ottavia’s looks are not conventional like Sophia’s beauty. Ottavia’s got perfect skin and hair, and sometimes in photos she looks stunning, but in others not so much. She’s got an Italian nose, to which I can relate. It’s not an asset when it comes to photos. But I’ve seen her up close in person and I’d say she’s extremely attractive. It’s not all about looks, but also personality. I don’t know which No Res you saw (she’s been in several), but she’s always playing a part so what you see isn’t the “real” her. She’s very funny.

  101. Love, Anthony Bourdain, I don’t care if he’s married to a troll, whatever makes him happy.

  102. steven c says:

    Tony traded down. Ottavia’s a bitch and deserting Nancy after she’d stuck by him for SO long just tells you his true nature of self seeking and self centeredism. Nancy is much prettier and sexier than your pictures show, and way smarter, too. I’ve known them both for a while. I got a dollar says he comes crawling back within five years when it will be too late ’cause some one better will have scooped her up

  103. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Steven C. Photos of Nancy were very hard to come by, back in the day. After her split from Bourdain, she seemed to drop off the radar completely. We’re kind of hoping she’s writing a book. 😉

    Thanks for letting us know she’s still single. I hope she’s doing well and finding that life after Tony is good.

  104. Brasilmagic says:

    Fascinating blog post and comments. I only watched his show a few times and loved the opportunity he was given in life, to travel, see the world, eat different things and be paid for it! We really don’t know the whole picture when it comes to his personal life, but being married to someone who’s always away must be hard! Since she didn’t have kids, maybe Nancy should have been part of his entourage to keep an eye on him, but maybe he didn’t want that? Or she didn’t want to bother? I know I would definitely be on the road with him. Otavia is lucky he’s now older and trying to cut his pace down. We do see too many middle aged men trading their wives for a younger model as soon as menopause & the wrinkles do some damage to a woman. It’s very unfair, so I hope Nancy got a very good settlement: 50% of all they accumulated during their marriage, since marriage is a partnership. I really hope Otavia met him after his separation, because I have no sympathy for women who go after other women’s husbands. Anyhow, hope Nancy finds a nicer (and more dedicated man), while Tony continues regaling us with tales from places we can only dream if going .

  105. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Brasilmagic. I hope Nancy got a better deal than 50% because she’d have gotten 50% of next to nothing at that time.

    Bourdain and Ottavia did meet well after his marriage to Nancy was over and he’d dated several other women on the rebound that didn’t work out.

    According to Tony, Nancy didn’t want to travel or be involved in the showbiz lifestyle. She also wasn’t an adventurous eater. So, they just grew apart because of his new job. She was very supportive of his writing, and he fictionalized her into a goddess in his novels and dedicated every book to her until after they split.

    I don’t think Bourdain has slowed his travel pace much. He tried to for a while, but then took on a 2nd show with Travel Channel that’s got him making the rounds all over the world again, and I’ve seen that his personal appearance calendar is beginning to fill up in October. He’s got the travel bug bad, and as long as someone else is willing pay for it, I think he’ll stay on the road a lot.

  106. Just found this! I’m so excited! I have a bit of an obsession with Tony and his lifestyle. Love the blog and comments! Total time thief though. 😉 Can’t wait to see more.

  107. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Lisa! Looks like you are starting way back on your reading. Keep going and you’ll find out how I first met Bourdain in person (Feb 2009, I think — check the archives), and then went on (with a posse of a few Cats Working readers) to spend an evening with his wife Ottavia (Nov. 2009). Good stuff!

  108. Elaine says:

    Hi Cats – Currently reading Tony’s Kitchen Confidential on my Kindle and stumbled on this wanting to get more information of the very interesting Anthony Bourdaine. This guy has my complete and wrapt attention. Hilarious, biting and sexy at the same time – what a package!

  109. catsworking says:

    Welcome, Elaine! You’ve come to the right place. I can say, unequivocably, that there is more information about Anthony Bourdain collected at Cats Working than on any other site on the Net, including his own. (I was writing about him back in the days he thought nobody was interested in his personal side. Now he’s become a Tweetaholic and there’s no shutting him up.)

    If you want to read about my most memorable personal encounters with Bourdain and his wife Ottavia, check the archives for December 2008, February 2009, and November 2009.

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